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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Dec 29, 2008 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I've just been on the website dedicated to Vince. The hatred from the deadheads contributed to his suicide; a lot of it seems to continue here. Don't you think it's time to leave him alone? Or at least recognise him for what he was - an essential member of the Grateful Dead 1990-1995. (Plus a contributor to that great song "White Punks on Dope"!)
MAKE A NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION: CUT THE CRITCISM, LISTEN TO THE MUSIC.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

" MAKE A NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION: CUT THE CRITCISM, LISTEN TO THE MUSIC."

gee, are you really listening then? I never hated the guy, I felt bad for him. Same with Brent. BOTH of them were bad fits imo but many disagree with me about Brent. I never bad mouthed him when he was alive, I'm just not a fan of the sound or the songs. Same with Brent. Nothing is wrong with that is there? Truth be told I'm not a synthesizer fan at all. I enjoy the piano and can HANDLE keyboards but NOT as a lead instrument. I would have preferred the band kept them subtle or in the background but that's my tastes.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 29, 2008 8:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Unlike Vince, I think Brent's sound adapted in. Check out Brent and Drums Jam:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

It must have been tough to choose someone who wouldn't get in the way of the glimmer twins -- and be willing to fill in what seemed to be a cursed position!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I do not now, nor have I ever, felt any hatred towards Vince Welnick - but saying he was an 'essential' member of the Grateful Dead? Hardly - there were probably any number of guys who could have done that job as well if not better. That's if anyone wanted the job - after Hornsby left the Dead were pretty much non-essential as a band and should have called it a day instead of stumbling aimlessly on.

And if you want to just soak everything up like a sponge with no critical input at all you might as well be listening High School Musical and the Jonas Brothers.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 30, 2008 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I've sometimes felt that I've been the only advocate for Vinny's contributions to the band. Though I'd never been a fan of the songs he wrote for the band, I did feel as if he added a huge element of sound with his synthesizers to the band.

He had, no matter how you felt about Bruce or Brent, very large shoes to fill. I felt that under those circumstances, he did as well as virtually anyone could have.

I did feel bad for him, post Jerry's death. He had some distinct issues. I, for one, miss him.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 29, 2008 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=153752

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Hey Flow. Once again I am reminded of how Weir may be the most unfairly treated member of the band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 29, 2008 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Got you Johnny (hey--looks like we don't have to worry about the PATS, eh!? Sorry, Dire!). Right--what I was getting at above was that it seemed like they covered a lot of covers in the last decade or so, and that apparently the productivity of Hunter and Garcia tapered off (expected, right? like the comments of so many others above about how many artists experience that sort of decline in productivity over the years...not always of course). So, not really related to whether the DEAD were good or bad, but just did more with covers than they had earlier, or at least without a detailed analysis of statistics and all, my first thought (again, I don't know set lists and such so am talking out of my ass here).

Agree about Bobby taking a lot of shit, but had never heard that Vince actually let this sort of thing get to him...? Really? That's sad, though what little I read about it suggested he had an underlying organic issue prior to these causes, but again, pure speculation.

I also think that alot of this commentary is interpreted out of context and taken way too seriously. When you are an artist, and when you have been around a long time, and when you have a large number of folks talking about you, of course you are going to have good and bad surface. When I try to be objective and offer comments about what was good (harmonies on RowJimmy) and bad (squeals on PITB) with respect to Donna, it is just a personal observation with a tiny bit of musical evaluation (limited) thrown in...but to imagine that one would never critique an artist is just silly, even for those obsessed like us. I can openly discuss all sorts of flaws for the boys, everyone of them, for even my favorite era. On the other hand, that doesn't mean they have anything to be ashamed of, or that I don't still keep them on a pedestal. It just goes with the territory. Heat in the kitchen and all that cliche'd crap...

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Dec 30, 2008 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

How come you know so much about High School Musical? ;-)
I've heard Straight Outta Junior High's marvellously juvenile "Got a boner in class".
Happy Hogmanay for tomorrow. I'll have a malt at midnight. You can keep the sheep's inards,though.

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